Суд над Бхагавад-гитой / Attempt to ban Bhagavad-gita
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SANDIP KUMAR CHAKRABORTY, A SERVANT OF LORD VISHNU |
#1176 JESUS WAS GOD?2011-12-17 22:28JESUS WAS GOD? ABSOLUTELY NOT. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST RIDICULOUS STATEMENT THAT CHRISTIANS MAKE. GOD IS THE CONTROLLER AND CREATOR OF MILLIONS OF UNIVERSES. SO DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE FOR GOD TO APPEAR ON THIS TINY INSIGNIFICANT PLANET CALLED EARTH. MILLIONS OF YEARS AFTER CREATING IT SO THAT HE CAN BE TORMENTED, HARASSED, AND CRUCIFIED? THE BASIC QUALITY OF GOD IS THAT HE IS ALL POWERFUL. JESUS CLEARLY PROVED THAT HE WAS ALL POWERLESS. JESUS SAID “WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD BUT GOD ALONE” (MARK 10.8) “MY TEACHING IS NOT MY OWN. IT COMES FROM HIM WHO SENT ME” (JOHN 7:16) JESUS SAID “I GO UNTO MY FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I” (JOHN 14.28) “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THE SON CAN DO NOTHING BY HIMSELF” (JOHN 5.19) JESUS SAID “FATHER FORGIVE THEM, THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING” “I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE” (JOHN 10.30) – THE CHRISTIANS USE THIS STATEMENT TO JUSTIFY THAT JESUS IS GOD, BUT THIS ACTUALLY PROVES THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD. THE DEFINITION OF GOD IS THAT ONE WHO IS THE GREATEST, ONE WHO HAS KNOW ONE EQUAL TO HIM, ONE WHO HAS KNOW ONE ABOVE HIM. SUCH A PERSON IS CALLED GOD. IF JESUS AND HIS FATHER ARE EQUAL THEN NEITHER OF THEM CAN BE GOD. THE BHAGAVAD-GITA STATES THAT EVERYTHING IS A PART AND PARCEL OF GOD, THUS EVEN A DOG CAN SAY ‘I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE’. WE ARE ALL PARTS OF GOD ACCORDING TO THE BHAGAVAD-GITA. THE BHAGAVAD-GITA IS THE WORD OF GOD IN PERSON AND IT’S THE OLDEST SCRIPTURE KNOWN TO MAN. |
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#11772011-12-17 22:29Пожалуйста,остановите суд над Бхагавад-Гитой. Это творение не рук человеческих но слова Самого Верховного Господа,священные наставления Бога данные человечеству,божественная мудрость,пришедшая к нам через века! |
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#11792011-12-17 22:37Возбуждение данного судебного процесса можно рассматривать как разжигание религиозной розни, что не допускается конституцией РФ. |
SANDIP KUMAR CHAKRABORTY, A SERVANT OF LORD VISHNU |
#1182 FAKE CHRISTIANITY2011-12-17 22:42WHAT IS GOD ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANITY? IT IS A FACT THAT JESUS WAS NOT GOD, EVEN JESUS HIMSELF PROVED THAT HE WAS NOT GOD. SO WHO EXACTLY IS GOD? THE CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES DO NOT ANSWER THIS VERY BASIC AND MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. EVEN JESUS, WHO DECLARED HIMSELF AS THE ONLY SON OF GOD, DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY WHO HIS FATHER WAS. THUS HE DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ‘WHAT IS GOD?’ WHAT IS GOD’S NAME, HIS ADDRESS, WHAT DOES HE LOOK LIKE, HIS HISTORY, EXACTLY WHEN AND WHERE WILL HE APPEAR NEXT ON THIS PLANET, HOW HE CREATES AND MAINTAINS AND SO ON. THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS, WHICH ONE SHOULD ASK. YOU WILL ONLY FIND THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS IN THE VEDIC SCRIPTURES AND NOT IN ANY OTHER SCRIPTURES. |
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#11832011-12-17 22:45I feel the autharities who want to ban the Bagavad Gita might have not read it at all. Bhavad Gita is nothing to do with religion, which they might have felt, but it's actually a human philosophy |
SANDIP KUMAR CHAKRABORTY, A SERVANT OF LORD VISHNU |
#1184 DID LORD KRISHNA DECLARE HIMSELF AS GOD?2011-12-17 22:45Did Lord Krishna declare himself as God? Absolutely yes, without any doubt. Supreme Father: “It should be understood that all species of life, o son of Kunti, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed giving father” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 14.4) “I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support and the grandsire” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.17) Supreme Creator: Lord Krishna is the origin of all. “The whole cosmic order is under me. By my will it is manifested again and again, and by my will it is annihilated at the end” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.8) “Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being, moving or unmoving, that can exist without me” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.39) “I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.8) “Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both the origin and the dissolution” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.6) Supreme Controller: Lord Krishna is the supreme controller. “I give heat, and I withhold and send forth the rain” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.19) “With a single fragment of myself I pervade and support this entire universe”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.42) Supreme Maintainer: “The splendor of the sun, which dissipates the darkness of the whole world, comes from me. And the splendor of the moon and the splendor of fire are also from me” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 15.12) “I enter into each planet, and by energy they stay in orbit” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 15.13) “This material nature, which is one of my energies is working under my direction” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.10) Omnipresent: Lord Krishna is omnipresent, meaning he is present everywhere. “I am the supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the hearts of all living entities, I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all beings” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 10.20) Omnipotent: Lord Krishna is omnipotent, meaning he is the greatest. “There is no truth beyond Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.7) Omniscient: Lord Krishna knows the past, present, and the future. “O Arjuna, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 7.26) “Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot!” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 4.5) There is Only One God: “Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize my true transcendental nature fall down” (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.24) “Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.” (Bhagavad-Gita 18.66) |
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#11852011-12-17 22:46I am closely familiar with the contents of the "Bhagavadgita as it is" and I am sure that there is nothing extremist about it. Please stop harassing the believers and keeping them from diong their job, because they're the only force that can save the world today. |
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#11862011-12-17 22:47I am closely familiar with the contents of the "Bhagavadgita as it is" and I am sure that there is nothing extremist about it. Please stop harassing the believers and keeping them from diong their job, because they're the only force that can save the world today |
SANDIP KUMAR CHAKRABORTY, A SERVANT OF LORD VISHNU |
#1187 FOLLOW THE ETERNAL RELIGION (SANATAN DHARMA)2011-12-17 22:51Follow the eternal religion (Sanatan Dharma). The Eternal Religion is for those who want to: Follow the real religion of Peace. The most peaceful of all religions. Follow an eternal religion founded by God himself and not a man Follow a religion with unlimited Prophets of God and not just one Follow a scripture spoken by God himself in person Follow a religion that has existed for millions of years and not just a few thousand Follow the original religion of man Stop killing all together (vegetarianism) Know and love God as a person, rather than just a name Know exactly who the person God is. His description, history, scheduled incarnations and so on Consider all living beings including the animals as brothers and sisters Believe that God created all living beings and thus we are all his sons and daughters Know when exactly is the Day of Judgement Know exactly why some are born poor/diseased/rich and so on Follow scientifically proven ideologies (Vegetarianism, Karma, Reincarnation, Yoga…) Know all the answers and no speculation |
SANDIP KUMAR CHAKRABORTY, A SERVANT OF LORD VISHNU |
#1188 LORD KRISHNA PERFORMED MIRACLES THAT ONLY GOD CAN PERFORM.2011-12-17 22:52When Lord Krishna was 7 years old, he lifted a mountain (26 miles in perimeter) and held it up with his one hand for 7 days. Witnessed by tens of thousands of people who were standing underneath the mountain. Lord Krishna expanded his body into 16,108 forms. Which means he duplicated his body into 16,108 identical bodies. Lord Krishna in his Ram incarnation built a bridge between India and Sri Lanka by making stones float on the sea. NASA has satellite images of this bridge built by Lord Ram around 2 million years ago. Lord Krishna showed the whole Universe in his mouth several times. Many atheists tried to kill Lord Krishna, but Lord Krishna very easily defeated them all and also gave them on the spot liberation. Lord Krishna is most merciful; he gives liberation even to those who try to kill him. The Lord can give on the spot liberation; one does not need to wait for the Day of Judgment. Lord Krishna brought back to life many dead people including the six children of Devaki. Lord Krishna cured diseased people including transforming a hunchback woman into a most beautiful woman in return for offering sandalwood pulp to the Lord. Lord Krishna destroyed all the wicked Kings and evil people who were tormenting and harassing the public. People were saved in this very life. Lord Krishna put out a big forest fire, simply by swallowing it whole. Lord Krishna transformed himself into exact copies of others. Lord Krishna granted Arjuna divine vision and reveled his spectacular unlimited form as the cosmic universe. In which Arjuna could see the various forms of Lord Krishna, and unlimited Planets while being seated in one place. He was also shown the past, present, and future. When a woman called Draupadi was disrobed in a court of kings, she called out to Lord Krishna for help and he supplied her with an unlimited sari and thus she could not be disrobed. Lord Krishna in his Maha Vishnu form, is so big that millions of Universes are coming out from his body with every exhalation, and with every inhalation, millions of Universes enter his body. When Maha Vishnu inhales or exhales just once, 311 trillion years pass on Earth. Lord Krishna can make himself so small that he can enter the atom. |
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#11892011-12-17 23:01Абсурдно само понятитие "суд над Бхагавад-гитой", входящей в ведическую литературу священных писаний (4 веды; Махабхарата с входящей в неё Бхагават-гитой; Рамаяна; 18 пуран; 108 упанишад; Веданта-сутра; Шримад Бхагаватам;...). Даже в книге "Введение в религиоведение" /А.Тимощук,И.Шакунов/ видно, что ведические писания - самые старые из всех известных сакральных текстов (Авеста; Тора; Трипитака; Евангелие; Коран; ...). К тому же ещё в 19 веке в книге "Религии мира",изданной от Православной церкви, говорилось, что "...Веды - это богооткровенные писания, которые не могли быть написаны человеком...". С уважением, Дмитрий Ф./Рига/ |
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#11902011-12-17 23:03Bhagavad Gita is a spiritual book which teaches us the knowledge about life,it allows us to look towards the life and god with a respect and also reminds us to serve our duties while we are on earth. |
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#11912011-12-17 23:06ja za svobodu sovesti. Uverena, chto ni odin iz sudej i politikov, kotorye za nimi stojat ne cital Gitu, inache oni pervye by nachali eje propagandirovat. Ocherednaja tupost i politicheskaja nedalnovidnost. Bednaja Rossija... |
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#1192 FAKE CHRISTIANITY2011-12-17 23:06WHEN A CHRISTIAN MURDERER GOES TO COURT, CAN HE SAY TO THE JUDGE, HANG JESUS, HE WILL PAY FOR MY SINS? |
SANDIP KUMAR CHAKRABORTY, A SERVANT OF LORD VISHNU |
#1193 FAKE CHRISTIANITY2011-12-17 23:06WHEN A CHRISTIAN MURDERER GOES TO COURT, CAN HE SAY TO THE JUDGE, HANG JESUS, HE WILL PAY FOR MY SINS? |
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#11942011-12-17 23:07> Харе Кришна, дорогие рпреданные! > ПРимите, пожалуйста, полконы. > Слава Шриле Прабхупаде! > > "Бхагавад-гита на скамье подсудимых в Томске" ( Новая информация) > > > > > > > > Ниже следует сегодняшнее обращение Бхакти Вигьяны Госвами, от 16-го декабря. > > > > > > > > Пожалуйста, переправьте эту информацию и будьте готовы к испытанию на > следующей неделе. > > > > > > > > Дорогие Махараджи, Прабху, члены этой конференции. > > Пожалуйста, примите мои смиренные поклоны. > > > > Слава Шриле Прабхупаде. > > > > > > > > Сегодня мы получили заключение экспертов из Кемеровского государственного > университета. Как и ожидалось, оно крайне негативное. > > > > > > > > Мы разместили петицию. Она говорит сама за себя и сформулирована так, чтобы > голосовать могли не только члены ИСККОН. > > > > Пожалуйста, рассылайте эту ссылку как можно большему числу людей. > http://www.petitions24.com/gita > > > > > > > > Ниже следует текст на русском и английском Возобновление слушаний по делу > состоится 19 декабря в сибирском городе Томск (Россия). В России, в городе > Томске, идет суд над одной из популярных священных книг мира – «Бхагавад-гитой > как она есть» («Бхагавад-гита» в переводе и с комментариями А.Ч. Бхактиведанты > Свами Прабхупады). Прокуратура города Томска предлагает признать самое > известное священное писание индуизма экстремистской литературой. > > > > > > > > «Бхагавад-гита как она есть» переведена более чем на 80 языков и выпущена > тиражом более 100 миллионов экземпляров! Ее считают своей главной книгой > миллионы людей во всем мире! > > > > > > > > Это абсурдное решение продавливается в суде с упорством, достойным лучшего > применения. В ходе трех судебных слушаний экспертиза, на основании которой > начался процесс, была признана «несостоятельной». Но прокуратура потребовала > заказать новую экспертизу, причем не у признанных ученых-востоковедов, а у > никому не известных сотрудников Кемеровского Государственного Университета. Все > это наводит на мысли о предрешенности исхода суда. Эта практика напоминает > средневековые судилища, костры из книг и преследования диссидентов во время > советской власти в России. > > > > > > > > Уполномоченный по правам человека в Томской области, видные > ученые-востоковеды, представители Общественной палаты России, посольства Индии, > индийской общины и простые люди, относящиеся к разным конфеcсиям, уже высказали > свое недоумение действиями Томской прокуратуры. > > > > > > > > Мы требуем прекратить суд над священным писанием! Эта инициатива Томской > прокуратуры задевает чувства верующих и позорит нашу страну! > > > > > > > > После того как вы подпишите петицию - вам на e-mail придет сообщение с > просьбой подтвердить свой голос. Необходимо пройти по этой ссылке, чтобы голос > был засчитан. Это очень важно - иначе его аннулируют. > > > > > > > > И, пожалуйста, помогите распространить эту ссылку по своим друзьям! > > > > > > > > Ваш слуга, Бхакти Вигьяна Госвами > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Для того, чтобы отправить сообщение в эту группу, пошлите его по адресу > > vaisnavaasraya@googlegroups.com > > Чтобы отменить подписку на эту группу, отправьте сообщение по адресу: > vaisnavaasraya-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > На этой страничке вы найдете файлы, которые могут пригодиться в служении > наставника: http://groups.google.com/group/vaisnavaasraya/files |
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#1195 Missunderstandings...2011-12-17 23:10most of the non-indian people read this book and draw their conclusions that this is a fictional book or this book teaches unreal things or something like that... but it is to be understood that everyone who reads this book should not just take the literal meanings of the sayings but try to understand the depth of the teaching. |
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#11962011-12-17 23:111.нpисимха-кавачам вакшье пpахладенодитам пуpа саpва-pакша-каpам пуньям саpвопадpава-нашанам 2. саpва-сампат-каpам чаива сваpга-мокша-пpадаякам дхьятва нpисимхам девешам хема-симхасана-стхитам 3. вивpитасьям тpи-наянам шаpад-инду-сама-пpабхам лакшмьялингита-вамангам вибхутибхи pупашpитам 4. чатуp-бхуджам комалангам сваpна-кундала-шобхитам саpоджа-шобхитоpаскам pатна-кеюpа-мудpитам 5. тапта-канчана-санкашам пита-ниpмала-васанам индpади-суpа-маулистхах спхуpам маникья-диптибхих 6. виpаджита-пада-двандвам шанкха-чакpади-хитибхих гаpутмата ча винаят стуяманам муданвитам 7. сва-хpит-камала-самвасам кpитва ту кавачам патхет нpисимхо ме шиpах пату лока-pакшаpтха-самбхавах 8. саpва-гопи-стамбха-васах пхалам ме pакшату дхваним нpисимхо ме дpишау пату сома-суpьягни-лочанах 9. смpитам ме пату нpихаpиp муни-ваpья-стути-пpиях насам ме симха-насас ту мукхам лакшми-мукха-пpиях 10. саpва-видьядхипах пату нpисимхо pасанам мама вактpам патв инду-ваданам сада пpахлада-вандитах 11. нpисимхах пату ме кантхам скандхау бху-бхpид ананта-кpит дивьястpа-шобхита-бхуджо нpисимхах пату ме бхуджау 12. каpау ме дева-ваpадо нpисимхах пату саpватах хpидаям йоги-садхьяш ча нивасам пату ме хаpих 13. мадхьям пату хиpаньякша- вакша-кукши-видаpанах набхим ме пату нpихаpих сва-набхи-бpахма-самстутах 14. бpахманда-котая-котьям ясьясау пату ме катим гухьям ме пату гухьянам мантpанам гухья-pупа-дpик 15. уpу-манобхавах пату джануни наpа-pупа-дpик джангхе пату дхаpа-бхаpа- хаpта йо ‘сау нpикесаpи 16. суpа-pаджья-пpадах пату падау ме нpихаpишваpах сахасpа-шиpша-пуpушах пату ме саpвашас танум 17. махогpах пуpватах пату маха-виpагpаджо ‘гнитах маха-вишнуp дакшине ту маха-джвалас ту найрpитау 18. пашчиме пату саpвешо диши ме саpвато мукхах нpисимхах пату ваявьям саумьям бхушана-вигpахах 19. ишаньям пату бхадpо ме саpва-мангала-даяках самсаpа-бхаятах пату мpитйоp мpитйуp нpикесаpи 20. идам нpисимха-кавачам пpахлада-мукха-мандитам бхактиман йах патхенаитйам саpва-папаих пpамучьяте 21. путpаван дханаван локе диpгхайуp упаджайате йам йам камайате камам там там пpапноти асамшаям 22. саpватpа джайам апноти саpватpа виджайи бхавет бхумй-антаpикша-дивйанам гpаханам виниваpанам 23. вpишчикоpага-самбхута- висапахаpанам паpам бpахма-pакшаса-йакшанам дуpотсаpана-каpанам 24. бхудже ва тала-патpе ва кавачам ликхитам шубхам каpа-муле дхpитам йена сидхйейух каpма-сидхайах 25. девасуpа-манушьешу свам свам ева джаям лабхет ека-сандхьям тpи-сандхйам ва йах патхет нийато наpах 26. саpва-мангала-мангалйам бхуктим муктим ча виндати два-тpимшати-сахасpани патхет шуддхатманам нpинам 27. кавачасйасйа мантpасйа мантpа-сиддхих пpаджайате анена мантpа-pаджена кpитва бхасмабхиp мантpанам 28. тилакам винйасед йас ту тасйа гpаха-бхайам хаpет тpи-ваpам джапаманас ту даттам ваpйабхимантpйа ча 29. пpашайед йо наpо мантpам нpисимха-дхйанам ачаpет тасйа pогах пpанашьянти йе ча сйух кукши-самбхавах 30. гаpджантам гаpджайантам ниджа-бхуджа-паталам спхотайантам хатантам pуйантам тапайантам диви бхуви дити-джам кшепайантам кшипантам кpандантам pошайантам диши диши саттатам самхаpантам бхаpантам викшантам пуpнайантам каpа-никаpа-шатаиp дивйа-симхам намами ити шpи-бpахманда-пуpане пpахладоктам шpи-нpисимха-кавачам сампуpнам |
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#11982011-12-17 23:13Hindu religion is one of the most peaceful religion in the world. We who live in the West do appreciate the Christian values and we have cordial relations with the indegnious people of UK.Hare Krishna movement is also a very peaceful and culturally rich tradition, visited by many Christians.I am sure people of Russia who we consider to be friends will appreciate Gita and ISKCON if you take the trouble to study it. Bhupendra |
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#11992011-12-17 23:14This Bhagavad Gita is universal and nonsectarian. Srila Prabhupada who translated the texts and the purports is a well known scholar and is truly respected by all from the academia to all walks of life. In addition, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada practices this ancient treasured literature's teachings cent per cent not at all watering down the Bhagavad Gita's authentic meaning. It is NOT limited to one religious group but encompassing humanity at large.It encourages an understanding of ourselves and of the Supreme Lord, and recognizing the life's situations in this world. |
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#12002011-12-17 23:15El Bhagavad gita ha sido la fuente de inspiración de grandes hombres en la historia de la humanidad., esta literatura ha cambiado la conciencia destructiva y malvada de la sociedad humana desde que Srila Prabhupada la trajo a occidente. Pero aun mucho tiempo antes de Prabhupada las versiones anteriores ya eran reconocidas y estudiadas por grandes académicos y líderes sociales. Si el Bhagavad gita fuera un libro de texto obligatorio en todas las escuelas del mundo en poco tiempo la humanidad entera sería mas conciente de sus actos y tendríamos la verdadera paz que todo el mundo anhela. Atentamente: Anibal Vazquez Castellanos, representante de ISKCON GUATEMALA. |
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